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stp case closedI have done many of these when Metal bands fight posts and usually there has never been any resolved circumstances except for maybe one. One instance that definitely closes out a case is none other than death because one side can not obviously fight back in their case. I am going to take the time now to close out some of our cases that have been left out there in When Metal Bands Fight: Case Closed. The first one that was closed was the case of Scott Weiland vs the members of Stone Temple Pilots. I first reported on the case back in April of 2015. Unfortunately on December 3, 2015, Scott Weiland passed away without ever resolving any of the issues. The band has since moved on with a new vocalist in Jeff Gutt and a brand new album as well. The next case that was closed was the only one to actually be resolved and that is the case of Axl Rose vs Slash which saw the duo reunite along with Duff McKagan for the Not in This Lifetime Tour that was a record breaker in 2016. The band has since gone strong since then, but I feel people are thinking that it’s about time for Axl to finally stop messing around and reunite the two remaining members of the band (Izzy Stradlin and Steven Adler).

pantera case closedSome cases are just cases of people opening their mouths and nothing ever comes of it ever again until something else happens between the two. For instance, N.W.A. has already been inducted in to the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame and there is nothing that Gene Simmons can do about it. The Mayhem Fest is officially dead and all Kerry King may have done is just predicted the ending of it especially now that he doesn’t have to deal with Kevin Lyman anymore. The one case that was never going to be resolved regardless of who lived is the case of Vinnie Paul vs Phil Anselmo which is really a sad case that breaks a lot of hearts. Vinnie Paul recently passed away which is what prompts me to say case closed. I was supposed to come out with a second part to it, but I just didn’t have the time. In an interview that Ultimate Classic Rock posted, Vinnie comments on what could be considered the reason it would never be resolved saying, “He’s done a lot of things that tarnish the image of what Pantera was back then, and what it stood for and what it was all about. And it’s sad. But I carry on with what I do, which is Hellyeah – which I’m very, very proud of. And, you know, I can’t control anything that goes on with that dude. I mean, honestly, I haven’t spoken to him since 2000. We tried to make amends of things when we were doing Damageplan, and he didn’t want anything to do with it. And then the horrible thing that happened to my brother happened. And, to me, that was the nail in the coffin. Period”

sabb_ozzy-1_2jpg copyIf I was a betting man I would say that was evidence enough that it would have never happened anyways. One case that could potentially become a case closed is one that involves the case of Black Sabbath (Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Iommi, and Geezer Butler) vs Bill Ward. Apparently, Birmingham, England is going to be hosting the 2022 Commonwealth Games and according to Loudwire there are parties that could be interested in reuniting for a one off gig. Ozzy Osbourne told ITV that he loved the idea and that he would perform, “with Black Sabbath or on my own.” Tony Iommi apparently loved the idea and told the Birmingham Mail, “I think that it would be a great thing to do to help represent Birmingham. I’m up for it! Let’s see what happens!” The only question that really remains is whether Bill ward will join the gang for the one off gig for a proper send off the original Godfathers of Metal. It remains to be seen and if there is any news of it then we will deliver it to you.

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Kiss vs nwaIt has been quite a long time since the last time we did a When Metal Bands Fight: A Rock And Metal News Special Report and we have a unique one for all of you. Whether you have npticed it or not, there has been a battle that has been waged since the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame allowed it’s first rap/hip hop group Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five into it back in 2007. The hall has since inducted Run DMC, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, and now N.W.A.. Should there be a line drawn in the sand when it comes to who is inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame and what makes someone rock and roll anyways? What is the criteria for someone to be considered rock and roll since you have Metal bands, punk rock bands, Southern Rock, blues, R&B, alternative, and so many more in the hall of fame right now. Should hip hop groups even be allowed into the hall of fame? Well, if you ask Gene Simmons of Kiss what he thinks about it, he’ll tell you, “I am looking forward to the death of rap. I’m looking forward to music coming back to lyrics and melody, instead of just talking. A song, as far as I’m concerned, is by definition lyric and melody … or just melody. Rap will die. Next year, 10 years from now, at some point, and then something else will come along. And all that is good and healthy.” Those were the words that usher the next phrase in, “shots fired.”

nwaN.W.A., the most notorious group that single handledly created the genre Gangsta Rap seemed to disagree about that this past Friday during the rock and roll hall of fame induction ceremony. MC Ren was the first member of the group to fire a shot back at Gene Simmons when he said, “I want to say to Mr. Gene Simmons that hip-hop is here forever — get used to it.” Ice Cube would come up to the mic next and after thanking who he had to thank addressed the crowd about what makes something rock and roll. He said, “The question is, ‘Are we rock ‘n’ roll?’ and I say ‘You g–damn right we rock ‘n’ roll!’ Rock ‘n’ roll is not an instrument — rock ‘n’ roll is not even a style of music. Rock ‘n’ roll is a spirit! A spirit that’s been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, R&B, rock ‘n’ roll, heavy metal, punk rock, and, yes, hip-hop!” He continues, “And what connects us all is that spirit — that’s what connects us all is that spirit. Rock ‘n’ roll is not conforming to the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and life. That is rock ‘n’ roll and that is us. Rock ‘n’ roll is not conforming, rock ‘n’ roll is outside the box and rock ‘n’ roll is N.W.A.

kissIt didn’t take long for the always controversial and opinionated Gene Simmons to fire a shot back at N.W.A. when he took to Twitter saying, “Respectfully– let me know when @JimiHendrix gets into the hip hop hall of fame. Then you’ll have a point. @icecube.” You can’t deny that Ice Cube makes a great point as far as what he is saying, but I kind of disagree with him a little on the idea that rock and roll is not a style because it actually is. It died the day the music died because no one in this world has been rock and roll since then in my opinion. Everyone has been a form of it in one way or another (just my opinion). With that being said, I disagree with Gene Simmons on the notion of who should be in and who shouldn’t. If you’re going to have a hall that includes the likes of ABBA, Miles Davis, Sex Pistols. Guns N Roses, Madonna, Albert King, and Parliament-Funkadelic to name a few then why not N.W.A. and the others? You guys decide if they should be in or not and what makes them rock and roll or not?

Nikki vs sullyI have been waiting a long time to do this special report for all of you as we have covered some pretty famous fights. Some of my favorites have been inner turmoil between bands for the most part, but what happens when guys from two different bands go at it. Back in the summer of 2009, Motley Crue was in the second year of their own touring festival that the dubbed Cruefest (makes sense). On the bill for Cruefest 2 besides Motley Crue was Theory Of A Deadman, Drowning Pool, Charm City Devils, and the mighty Godsmack. Apparently during the tour, Sully Erna had a lot to complain about when it came to the way his band was treated by Nikki Sixx. All of the noise eventually led to the two sides throwing insults back and forth at each other on Twitter, but Godsmack stepped it up a notch when they wrote the track Cryin’ Like A Bitch. which appeared on the bands record The Oracle.

Godsmack_cryin_like_a_bitchThat track might have been the biggest stone thrown during this whole entire ordeal. For a long time Sully was denying that the track was about Nikki Sixx, but in a 2009 interview with the Artisan News Service, he made these comments about the track, “I will tell you, it’s been the most dramatic tour we’ve ever been on. I mean, talk about just craziness, man. Sometimes egos run high, man, and there’s definitely been some rock-star garbage on this tour that just have never seen in our career. Every band — from Black Sabbath to Aerosmith, Rush, Metallica… you name it… They’ve always… I don’t think there was ever a threat, you know what I mean?! Like who’s gonna dwarf Metallica anyways? But there’s always just been this mutual kind of like, ‘We wanna put on a great show, so bring your bells and whistles, bring your show, so between you guys and us, we can make these people get a bang for their buck.’ And that’s really what entertainment has always been about. And so, I’ve never been in a position before where we felt we had to really protect this thing; it’s kind of like a dog with a bone — you put us up against a wall and we’re gonna come out swinging.”

sullySully goes on to say, “I don’t know who needs to live up to whose reputations and I don’t know why some people consider music as a competition, but I will tell you that I have never been in a situation where I felt like I was out for blood, and honestly, this was the first time that I felt like, ‘You know what?! If there’s gonna be some people that are gonna treat other people a certain way, then I’m gonna go out there every night and fucking crush you on stage — make sure that we make you look old and fat, and go home with a nice big fat paycheck. You can sit in your world and I’ll sit in mine, and I’ll see you at the top again, I guess, somewhere…’ I don’t know. All I care about, really, is playing music and enjoying myself on the road. I’m not here to compete. Everybody has their fans, everybody has their own music, and it’s supposed to be more like a brotherhood, but… I don’t know. It’s been a good time for us out here, but in other situations, there’s definitely been some uncomfortable moments.”

nikki sixxNevertheless, Nikki Sixx would essentially never fire back as far as music was concerned almost like he was taking the high road until he lashed out on Twitter and interviews several times. In one interview he said, “Every person — from road crew, fans and even all the bands on the tour (including [Sully’s] band) — was so happy, but [Erna] just seems to be crying like a bitch. Funny, even his manager told me he’s an a—hole. Maybe the problem is just in HIS head… I got no problem with him.” Nikki even took to Twitter when it was concerning his show The Sixx Sense. Apparently according to Nikki, Sully tried to get in contact with someone about promoting a record and here is what Nikki had to say on Twitter, “So @godsmack begged to be on @Sixxsense to promote their s–t new album. Good luck touring phonebooths. Who’s crying like a bitch now?” Those are some pretty harsh words coming from the legendary bassist, but Nikki has never been one to mince his words.

sullyernaIt has been awhile since anything has gone down in this feud, but that was until Sully visited The Jasta Show which is hosted by Jamey Jasta of Hatebreed. Here is the latest venom that Sully has spit out at Nikki Sixx when asked about the situation, “I’ll say it straight out: I’ve never met a bigger f—ing dick in my life than Nikki Sixx. He’s a douchebag. He’s straight-up a f—ing douche, and I don’t give a f–k what he says. He knows exactly where I am, and he knows exactly how he can find me anytime that motherf—er has the balls to come and look me up. And I’ll say it straight out on your podcast. He’s a dick, man. He just treats people like s–t.” Sully would continue by saying, “I don’t know what his deal is, man, but I can just tell you that he is the most… I don’t even know what the word is for it. I’ve never met anyone like that. He’s just so pompous and egotistical and he feels like he’s still on top of the world. He just thinks he’s so relevant, and he’s just an old, fat washed-up has-been. He annoys me, and I don’t even deal with it anymore. It’s lame.” It remains to be seen if Nikki Sixx responds to the latest, but I think we can let the numbers do the talking for the both of them. After all, money and numbers speak volumes in that industry.

Dee vs PaulWe have a new fight amongst us and it’s so fresh that I couldn’t resist reporting on this one. This When Metal Bands Fight Dee Snider Vs Paul Stanley. If you don’t know who they are, Paul Stanley is the lead singer/guitarist of Kiss whiel Dee Snider was the lead singer for Twisted Sister. The fight started sometime in the past week or so when Dee Snider went on Eddie Trunk’s radio show and voiced his opinion about Kiss and the fact that Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer wear the make up and costumes of former Kiss members Ace Frehley and Peter Criss. He said, “Oh, my God — that’s disgraceful. When Kiss replaced Ace and Peter, and they brought in guys who had their own makeup and their own thing, that was acceptable. That was awesome. They were their own characters.” So, those were the first shots that were fired and of course you knew that Paul Stanley was going to be asked about it. Paul went on the I Am Jericho Podcast with Chris Jericho and Jericho asked him about Dee’s comments and he said, “Let me put it in the simplest terms. In this case, this guy is a wannabe, has always been a wannabe and desperately wants attention and to be taken seriously and that will never happen because he’s obviously clueless to the fact that he and his whole band are a bunch of buffoons.”

Ouch those are some pretty harsh words from Stanley, but like clockwork Dee took to Facebook tonight where he responded to Paul with a letter. Here is what he said in his letter:

A letter to Paul Stanley of Kiss in response to comments about Twisted Sister and myself he made on a recent Chris Jericho podcast.

Dear Paul, September 9th, 2015

First off, thanks for giving me the attention I—as you noted– so desperately wanted.

Now, I’ve always had nothing but respect for your band, and you as a performer, but it really comes as no surprise that the feeling isn’t mutual. For some reason you are oddly threatened by me. This said, your recent comments about my band and I on Chris Jericho’s podcast was a typical diversionary tactic used in an attempt to change the subject, rather than answer the actual accusation or question. It’s the oldest interviewing trick in the book.

As far as my “whole band being a bunch of buffoons” goes, that’s a pretty ironic statement coming from you. The argument could easily be made that Kiss is the “king of the buffoons”, so in an odd way you’ve paid Twisted Sister quite a compliment. It takes one to know one.

Lastly, on the subject of me being a “wannabe”? Do you really think so? Well then…any time, any stage. But let’s do this old school –no costumes, no pyro, no bullshit – let’s just get up there and rock. I will bury you, son.

Sincerely, the attention getting, wannabe, lead buffoon of Twisted Sister,

Dee Snider

PS: Did I mention that I’m clean, sober, razor sharp and fully capable of defending myself from any kind of lame attack? Just ask Al Gore.

Now I can’t say that I don’t blame Dee Snider for his original comments because a lot of people have voiced that opinion like myself. He just may have caught Paul in a bad time or Paul was just sick of hearing it. Like I said before, those were some pretty harsh words from the Starchild himself. The question now is whether Paul will respond to the comments or will he just blow it off. We’ll just have to wait and see, but stay tuned here for more as it comes. What do you guys think?

Axl Vs SlashIt has been a while since the last When Metal Bands Fight segment that I did for this bog and I have a lot of them. For example, we covered Stone Temple Pilots versus Scott Weiland, Phil Anselmo versus Vinnie Paul, Kerry King versus the Victory Records Stage, and one that may have been resolved. When I say resolve, I say with great wonder and excitement because one of the greatest rock bands to come out of the 80’s may have resolved their issues. If you don’t know who I am talking about then you either live under a rock or didn’t read the title to this piece. It was first reported four days ago by Loudwire.com that Guns N Roses vocalist Axl Rose and former guitarist Slash have made amends and Slash saying that it, “was overdue” is an understatement. In an interview with a Swedish reporter, Slash was asked if the rumors of the two making amends was truue and Slash replied, “It was probably way overdue, you know. But it’s…you know, it’s very cool at this point. You know, let some of that, sort of, negative … dispel some of that negative stuff that was going on for so long.” I know you’re not supposed to count your chickens before they hatch, but can a reunion finally be in place for Guns N Roses? I hope that everything happens because this would be our first resolved case in history. Enjoy a classic track from GNR below:

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IMG_3319I just wanted to give you guys a quick update on some things that we are going to be doing on here as far as using social media to help us out. It’s been a little while since I started Moshpits & Movies the blog, but after a long time we finally have a Facebook page. I was posting a lot of the posts from this blog to a page for my one shot podcast that I created, but things have officially changed. So, if you want to stay up to date with everything on the Facebook page to make it easier to know when we post a new article and any of the competitions we do here as well, just go to www.facebook.com/moshpitsandmovies and like the page. I also wanted to update you on what is coming soon on Moshpits And Movies as far as blogging. For this week’s album of the week, we are going to be reviewing an album to coincide with a release of a film about the most dangerous group in the world so you’ll want to stay tuned for that. We should have part two of When Metal Bands Fight: Phil Anselmo Vs Vinnie Paul coming very soon. So, what are you waiting for? Get to the page and like it.

Slayer vs mayhem festThis is a very unique and special case for When metal Bands Fight because shots were fired at the metal genre by Warped Tour/Mayhem Fest founder Kevin Lyman. It’s no secret that the Metal genre does not do as huge of numbers as it may have in the 1980’s and 90’s, but that’s because most Americans are wrapped in whatever is the hot flavor of the month. I have been flying the flag for metal since the day I was born and I will till the day I die. Kerry King, the legendary guitarist of Slayer also feels the same way that I do and he’s been flying the flag for a hell of a lot longer than I have and he’s also been doing his best repping the genre for years. Lyman in an interview fired this shot at the metal genre as Loudwire.com reported, “Recently, co-founder Kevin Lyman spoke about the issues surrounding the booking of the metal festival. He commented in an interview that the metal genre was becoming “gray, bald, and fat” while addressing the difficulty in booking metal festivals and calling out some of the top billed acts for not cutting any financial slack to help move the scene forward.” It wouldn’t take long for Kerry King to fire a shot back at the festival founder as King said, “It’s a very generalizing statement [from Lyman] and it basically throws his tour under the bus. That’s just … that’s not even Business 101. That’s just insane.” I have to agree with Kerry on that point because if you are trying to get people to go to your festival, the last thing you want to do is do the genre.

110630-slayerHe goes on to add, “Do I know this tour wasn’t booked correctly? Absolutely I know this tour wasn’t booked correctly. Gary Holt made the comment that usually there’s the Main Stage, a second stage, a third stage, and then that piece of s–t record stage…now what they’re calling a second stage is at best a fourth stage and they’re wondering why people aren’t showing up. I think they waited too long and think all the talent that could have been on this took gigs in Europe. Because there’s nobody here touring. It’s easy to fill these stages but I guess they wanted a different price point, take away the second and third stage, which I think had a lot of value. To me a second stage headliner is Anthrax, Machine Head…Whoever booked this made a gigantic error.” During the interview Kerry would go on to say that the festival was, “a glorified Slayer show” and he has the right to say that because Slayer sold out the Eagles Ballroom in Milwaukee with just Suicidal Tendencies and Exodus. Then you look at the attendance of the Mayhem Fest stop at the same venue and they couldn’t sell it out. The last comment he would go on to make was, “I understand it from a fan’s perspective. I wouldn’t spend money to come to this either.” He went on to give a bold statement as he told the press that not only is this the last time Slayer will play Mayhem, but it may be the last Mayhem Fest ever. When asked about what Kerry said, Lyman replied, “He took offense to something I said and is voicing his opinion. All good with me.” In the past, Mayhem Fest has had some amazing lineups with 2009’s being my favorite one and they have had some pretty decent lineups over the years, but they definitely dropped the ball this year. After reading what Kerry had to say, what opinion do you have? What do you think of the current state of metal?