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Kiss vs nwaIt has been quite a long time since the last time we did a When Metal Bands Fight: A Rock And Metal News Special Report and we have a unique one for all of you. Whether you have npticed it or not, there has been a battle that has been waged since the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame allowed it’s first rap/hip hop group Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five into it back in 2007. The hall has since inducted Run DMC, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, and now N.W.A.. Should there be a line drawn in the sand when it comes to who is inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame and what makes someone rock and roll anyways? What is the criteria for someone to be considered rock and roll since you have Metal bands, punk rock bands, Southern Rock, blues, R&B, alternative, and so many more in the hall of fame right now. Should hip hop groups even be allowed into the hall of fame? Well, if you ask Gene Simmons of Kiss what he thinks about it, he’ll tell you, “I am looking forward to the death of rap. I’m looking forward to music coming back to lyrics and melody, instead of just talking. A song, as far as I’m concerned, is by definition lyric and melody … or just melody. Rap will die. Next year, 10 years from now, at some point, and then something else will come along. And all that is good and healthy.” Those were the words that usher the next phrase in, “shots fired.”

nwaN.W.A., the most notorious group that single handledly created the genre Gangsta Rap seemed to disagree about that this past Friday during the rock and roll hall of fame induction ceremony. MC Ren was the first member of the group to fire a shot back at Gene Simmons when he said, “I want to say to Mr. Gene Simmons that hip-hop is here forever — get used to it.” Ice Cube would come up to the mic next and after thanking who he had to thank addressed the crowd about what makes something rock and roll. He said, “The question is, ‘Are we rock ‘n’ roll?’ and I say ‘You g–damn right we rock ‘n’ roll!’ Rock ‘n’ roll is not an instrument — rock ‘n’ roll is not even a style of music. Rock ‘n’ roll is a spirit! A spirit that’s been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, R&B, rock ‘n’ roll, heavy metal, punk rock, and, yes, hip-hop!” He continues, “And what connects us all is that spirit — that’s what connects us all is that spirit. Rock ‘n’ roll is not conforming to the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and life. That is rock ‘n’ roll and that is us. Rock ‘n’ roll is not conforming, rock ‘n’ roll is outside the box and rock ‘n’ roll is N.W.A.

kissIt didn’t take long for the always controversial and opinionated Gene Simmons to fire a shot back at N.W.A. when he took to Twitter saying, “Respectfully– let me know when @JimiHendrix gets into the hip hop hall of fame. Then you’ll have a point. @icecube.” You can’t deny that Ice Cube makes a great point as far as what he is saying, but I kind of disagree with him a little on the idea that rock and roll is not a style because it actually is. It died the day the music died because no one in this world has been rock and roll since then in my opinion. Everyone has been a form of it in one way or another (just my opinion). With that being said, I disagree with Gene Simmons on the notion of who should be in and who shouldn’t. If you’re going to have a hall that includes the likes of ABBA, Miles Davis, Sex Pistols. Guns N Roses, Madonna, Albert King, and Parliament-Funkadelic to name a few then why not N.W.A. and the others? You guys decide if they should be in or not and what makes them rock and roll or not?

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Nikki vs sullyI have been waiting a long time to do this special report for all of you as we have covered some pretty famous fights. Some of my favorites have been inner turmoil between bands for the most part, but what happens when guys from two different bands go at it. Back in the summer of 2009, Motley Crue was in the second year of their own touring festival that the dubbed Cruefest (makes sense). On the bill for Cruefest 2 besides Motley Crue was Theory Of A Deadman, Drowning Pool, Charm City Devils, and the mighty Godsmack. Apparently during the tour, Sully Erna had a lot to complain about when it came to the way his band was treated by Nikki Sixx. All of the noise eventually led to the two sides throwing insults back and forth at each other on Twitter, but Godsmack stepped it up a notch when they wrote the track Cryin’ Like A Bitch. which appeared on the bands record The Oracle.

Godsmack_cryin_like_a_bitchThat track might have been the biggest stone thrown during this whole entire ordeal. For a long time Sully was denying that the track was about Nikki Sixx, but in a 2009 interview with the Artisan News Service, he made these comments about the track, “I will tell you, it’s been the most dramatic tour we’ve ever been on. I mean, talk about just craziness, man. Sometimes egos run high, man, and there’s definitely been some rock-star garbage on this tour that just have never seen in our career. Every band — from Black Sabbath to Aerosmith, Rush, Metallica… you name it… They’ve always… I don’t think there was ever a threat, you know what I mean?! Like who’s gonna dwarf Metallica anyways? But there’s always just been this mutual kind of like, ‘We wanna put on a great show, so bring your bells and whistles, bring your show, so between you guys and us, we can make these people get a bang for their buck.’ And that’s really what entertainment has always been about. And so, I’ve never been in a position before where we felt we had to really protect this thing; it’s kind of like a dog with a bone — you put us up against a wall and we’re gonna come out swinging.”

sullySully goes on to say, “I don’t know who needs to live up to whose reputations and I don’t know why some people consider music as a competition, but I will tell you that I have never been in a situation where I felt like I was out for blood, and honestly, this was the first time that I felt like, ‘You know what?! If there’s gonna be some people that are gonna treat other people a certain way, then I’m gonna go out there every night and fucking crush you on stage — make sure that we make you look old and fat, and go home with a nice big fat paycheck. You can sit in your world and I’ll sit in mine, and I’ll see you at the top again, I guess, somewhere…’ I don’t know. All I care about, really, is playing music and enjoying myself on the road. I’m not here to compete. Everybody has their fans, everybody has their own music, and it’s supposed to be more like a brotherhood, but… I don’t know. It’s been a good time for us out here, but in other situations, there’s definitely been some uncomfortable moments.”

nikki sixxNevertheless, Nikki Sixx would essentially never fire back as far as music was concerned almost like he was taking the high road until he lashed out on Twitter and interviews several times. In one interview he said, “Every person — from road crew, fans and even all the bands on the tour (including [Sully’s] band) — was so happy, but [Erna] just seems to be crying like a bitch. Funny, even his manager told me he’s an a—hole. Maybe the problem is just in HIS head… I got no problem with him.” Nikki even took to Twitter when it was concerning his show The Sixx Sense. Apparently according to Nikki, Sully tried to get in contact with someone about promoting a record and here is what Nikki had to say on Twitter, “So @godsmack begged to be on @Sixxsense to promote their s–t new album. Good luck touring phonebooths. Who’s crying like a bitch now?” Those are some pretty harsh words coming from the legendary bassist, but Nikki has never been one to mince his words.

sullyernaIt has been awhile since anything has gone down in this feud, but that was until Sully visited The Jasta Show which is hosted by Jamey Jasta of Hatebreed. Here is the latest venom that Sully has spit out at Nikki Sixx when asked about the situation, “I’ll say it straight out: I’ve never met a bigger f—ing dick in my life than Nikki Sixx. He’s a douchebag. He’s straight-up a f—ing douche, and I don’t give a f–k what he says. He knows exactly where I am, and he knows exactly how he can find me anytime that motherf—er has the balls to come and look me up. And I’ll say it straight out on your podcast. He’s a dick, man. He just treats people like s–t.” Sully would continue by saying, “I don’t know what his deal is, man, but I can just tell you that he is the most… I don’t even know what the word is for it. I’ve never met anyone like that. He’s just so pompous and egotistical and he feels like he’s still on top of the world. He just thinks he’s so relevant, and he’s just an old, fat washed-up has-been. He annoys me, and I don’t even deal with it anymore. It’s lame.” It remains to be seen if Nikki Sixx responds to the latest, but I think we can let the numbers do the talking for the both of them. After all, money and numbers speak volumes in that industry.

Dee vs PaulWe have a new fight amongst us and it’s so fresh that I couldn’t resist reporting on this one. This When Metal Bands Fight Dee Snider Vs Paul Stanley. If you don’t know who they are, Paul Stanley is the lead singer/guitarist of Kiss whiel Dee Snider was the lead singer for Twisted Sister. The fight started sometime in the past week or so when Dee Snider went on Eddie Trunk’s radio show and voiced his opinion about Kiss and the fact that Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer wear the make up and costumes of former Kiss members Ace Frehley and Peter Criss. He said, “Oh, my God — that’s disgraceful. When Kiss replaced Ace and Peter, and they brought in guys who had their own makeup and their own thing, that was acceptable. That was awesome. They were their own characters.” So, those were the first shots that were fired and of course you knew that Paul Stanley was going to be asked about it. Paul went on the I Am Jericho Podcast with Chris Jericho and Jericho asked him about Dee’s comments and he said, “Let me put it in the simplest terms. In this case, this guy is a wannabe, has always been a wannabe and desperately wants attention and to be taken seriously and that will never happen because he’s obviously clueless to the fact that he and his whole band are a bunch of buffoons.”

Ouch those are some pretty harsh words from Stanley, but like clockwork Dee took to Facebook tonight where he responded to Paul with a letter. Here is what he said in his letter:

A letter to Paul Stanley of Kiss in response to comments about Twisted Sister and myself he made on a recent Chris Jericho podcast.

Dear Paul, September 9th, 2015

First off, thanks for giving me the attention I—as you noted– so desperately wanted.

Now, I’ve always had nothing but respect for your band, and you as a performer, but it really comes as no surprise that the feeling isn’t mutual. For some reason you are oddly threatened by me. This said, your recent comments about my band and I on Chris Jericho’s podcast was a typical diversionary tactic used in an attempt to change the subject, rather than answer the actual accusation or question. It’s the oldest interviewing trick in the book.

As far as my “whole band being a bunch of buffoons” goes, that’s a pretty ironic statement coming from you. The argument could easily be made that Kiss is the “king of the buffoons”, so in an odd way you’ve paid Twisted Sister quite a compliment. It takes one to know one.

Lastly, on the subject of me being a “wannabe”? Do you really think so? Well then…any time, any stage. But let’s do this old school –no costumes, no pyro, no bullshit – let’s just get up there and rock. I will bury you, son.

Sincerely, the attention getting, wannabe, lead buffoon of Twisted Sister,

Dee Snider

PS: Did I mention that I’m clean, sober, razor sharp and fully capable of defending myself from any kind of lame attack? Just ask Al Gore.

Now I can’t say that I don’t blame Dee Snider for his original comments because a lot of people have voiced that opinion like myself. He just may have caught Paul in a bad time or Paul was just sick of hearing it. Like I said before, those were some pretty harsh words from the Starchild himself. The question now is whether Paul will respond to the comments or will he just blow it off. We’ll just have to wait and see, but stay tuned here for more as it comes. What do you guys think?

Axl Vs SlashIt has been a while since the last When Metal Bands Fight segment that I did for this bog and I have a lot of them. For example, we covered Stone Temple Pilots versus Scott Weiland, Phil Anselmo versus Vinnie Paul, Kerry King versus the Victory Records Stage, and one that may have been resolved. When I say resolve, I say with great wonder and excitement because one of the greatest rock bands to come out of the 80’s may have resolved their issues. If you don’t know who I am talking about then you either live under a rock or didn’t read the title to this piece. It was first reported four days ago by Loudwire.com that Guns N Roses vocalist Axl Rose and former guitarist Slash have made amends and Slash saying that it, “was overdue” is an understatement. In an interview with a Swedish reporter, Slash was asked if the rumors of the two making amends was truue and Slash replied, “It was probably way overdue, you know. But it’s…you know, it’s very cool at this point. You know, let some of that, sort of, negative … dispel some of that negative stuff that was going on for so long.” I know you’re not supposed to count your chickens before they hatch, but can a reunion finally be in place for Guns N Roses? I hope that everything happens because this would be our first resolved case in history. Enjoy a classic track from GNR below:

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IMG_3319I just wanted to give you guys a quick update on some things that we are going to be doing on here as far as using social media to help us out. It’s been a little while since I started Moshpits & Movies the blog, but after a long time we finally have a Facebook page. I was posting a lot of the posts from this blog to a page for my one shot podcast that I created, but things have officially changed. So, if you want to stay up to date with everything on the Facebook page to make it easier to know when we post a new article and any of the competitions we do here as well, just go to www.facebook.com/moshpitsandmovies and like the page. I also wanted to update you on what is coming soon on Moshpits And Movies as far as blogging. For this week’s album of the week, we are going to be reviewing an album to coincide with a release of a film about the most dangerous group in the world so you’ll want to stay tuned for that. We should have part two of When Metal Bands Fight: Phil Anselmo Vs Vinnie Paul coming very soon. So, what are you waiting for? Get to the page and like it.

Slayer vs mayhem festThis is a very unique and special case for When metal Bands Fight because shots were fired at the metal genre by Warped Tour/Mayhem Fest founder Kevin Lyman. It’s no secret that the Metal genre does not do as huge of numbers as it may have in the 1980’s and 90’s, but that’s because most Americans are wrapped in whatever is the hot flavor of the month. I have been flying the flag for metal since the day I was born and I will till the day I die. Kerry King, the legendary guitarist of Slayer also feels the same way that I do and he’s been flying the flag for a hell of a lot longer than I have and he’s also been doing his best repping the genre for years. Lyman in an interview fired this shot at the metal genre as Loudwire.com reported, “Recently, co-founder Kevin Lyman spoke about the issues surrounding the booking of the metal festival. He commented in an interview that the metal genre was becoming “gray, bald, and fat” while addressing the difficulty in booking metal festivals and calling out some of the top billed acts for not cutting any financial slack to help move the scene forward.” It wouldn’t take long for Kerry King to fire a shot back at the festival founder as King said, “It’s a very generalizing statement [from Lyman] and it basically throws his tour under the bus. That’s just … that’s not even Business 101. That’s just insane.” I have to agree with Kerry on that point because if you are trying to get people to go to your festival, the last thing you want to do is do the genre.

110630-slayerHe goes on to add, “Do I know this tour wasn’t booked correctly? Absolutely I know this tour wasn’t booked correctly. Gary Holt made the comment that usually there’s the Main Stage, a second stage, a third stage, and then that piece of s–t record stage…now what they’re calling a second stage is at best a fourth stage and they’re wondering why people aren’t showing up. I think they waited too long and think all the talent that could have been on this took gigs in Europe. Because there’s nobody here touring. It’s easy to fill these stages but I guess they wanted a different price point, take away the second and third stage, which I think had a lot of value. To me a second stage headliner is Anthrax, Machine Head…Whoever booked this made a gigantic error.” During the interview Kerry would go on to say that the festival was, “a glorified Slayer show” and he has the right to say that because Slayer sold out the Eagles Ballroom in Milwaukee with just Suicidal Tendencies and Exodus. Then you look at the attendance of the Mayhem Fest stop at the same venue and they couldn’t sell it out. The last comment he would go on to make was, “I understand it from a fan’s perspective. I wouldn’t spend money to come to this either.” He went on to give a bold statement as he told the press that not only is this the last time Slayer will play Mayhem, but it may be the last Mayhem Fest ever. When asked about what Kerry said, Lyman replied, “He took offense to something I said and is voicing his opinion. All good with me.” In the past, Mayhem Fest has had some amazing lineups with 2009’s being my favorite one and they have had some pretty decent lineups over the years, but they definitely dropped the ball this year. After reading what Kerry had to say, what opinion do you have? What do you think of the current state of metal?

Pantera battleThe latest edition of When Metal Bands Fight may be the saddest edition that we have ever done only due to who it is and what has transpired over the years. Back in the early 2000’s, Pantera had ultimately ended without us really knowing for a while. Phil Anselmo had revived his supergroup side project Down as they released an album followed with a tour while Vinnie Paul and Dimebag Darrell stood still waiting. Next came Phil’s Superjoint Ritual side project and that was all the Abbott brothers could stand to take as they moved on and created Damageplan. For about a year, Phil Anselmo was trading jabs at the Abbott brothers with one infamous interview in Metal Hammer Magazine.  In the December Issue released in 2004, it was reported by Blabbermouth and here is a quote from Phil about Dimebag, “He would attack me, vocally. And just knowing that he was so much smaller than me I could kill him like a fuckin’ piece of vapor, you know, he would turn into vapor — his chin would, at least, if I fuckin’ smacked it. And he knows that. The world should know that. So physically, of course, he deserves to be beaten severely.” Seven days after Blabbermouth reported that quote, Dimebag Darrell was shot several times at a club in Columbus, Ohio. It is still known as the most infamous and tragic death in Heavy Metal history. Phi would try to claim that Metal Hammer Magazine misquoted him and that it wasn’t what he said or meant. Nevertheless, it started the war between Phil Anselmo and Vinnie Paul as shots were fired.

vinnie-paul-1In the March 2008 issue of Guitar World. Dimebag Darrell’s longtime girlfriend Rita Haney fired some shots at Phil blaming him for what happened in Ohio saying, “The bottom line is Phil’s actions led to what happened. The guy wouldn’t have been after Vinnie and Darrell if Pantera had not broken up. It was all due to Phil’s stupid, stupid actions.” While some may justify that comment, whose to say he wouldn’t have done it if Pantera were still together. I only say that because of the theories of why he did it that have been reported. In an interview with Metal Underground in January of 2008, Vinnie commented on whether or not he had been in contact with Phil saying, “No, man. I don’t want to talk to him. I don’t believe anything he says. He’s the master of lies. He says that shit because he wants the fans to believe what he has to say and follow what he does. And they’re like sheep and they will. I don’t want to elaborate on it any further apart from to say: listen to the Metal Hammer interview and you’ll know exactly how he felt about my brother. He can say anything he wants, now on the backside.

phil and vinnyIf Phil was trying to make amends with Vinnie Paul as what was being reported three years before, he certainly didn’t seem like he wanted to in a 2011 interview with Metal-Injection as he made this statement to them, “I’m fine with Rita. Me and Rita have always been cool. Sure, there was a fallout. But the way I look at it is, if it really is affecting someone to where they have to come out and say hateful things about me, untrue things about me, paint bullshit mystique about me, then, in their heart of hearts, they do care about me — that’s the point. Vinnie Paul’s closed-door policy when it comes to me, that’s something he’s gonna have to ride around on his shoulders the rest of his fucking life. I know this: My door is always open, and always has been open — always has been fucking open. And it is a little frustrating when you have a loose end and you’re trying to tighten everything up. But you can’t make everybody fucking happy all of the time — you can’t. So, Vinnie Paul, he has no effect on my life at all — no effect at all. Good job, I’ll say to Vince — you’ve hurt me. And you keep on hurting me. Great job! Where is it getting you? That’s my question to him. My door has always been wide open, and I’ll leave it at that, because I think everybody else knows the rest. It’s fucking pretty A-B-C simple. He doesn’t want to… There is a fear in him of me. That motherfucker is so fucking terrified of me. But somewhere within that terror, somewhere within this invented — and I do say ‘invented’ — scapegoat fucking slapping redneck hatred of his, there is a love bigger than any of that fucking shit, and that’s why he’s acting the way he’s acting. So that’s that.”

imagesDon’t worry because Phil made a response video claiming that Blabbermouth was to blame for the negativity in that last comment saying, “This is Philip H. Anselmo and I just wanna talk to you people out there and all the fans that might be interested in the last video interview that I did that Blabbermouth.com [sic] got ahold of, and they picked one little sentence out of my entire transcript and they made it a headline and they made it look ugly. Really, all I was saying was that I love Vinnie Paul and my door is always open. I may not approve of how he may go about things and this and that in regards to our relationship, but still, the big deal and the bottom line here is, make no doubt and let there be no question, I love Vince, and all of you out there, you know what Blabbermouth is it’s a sensationalist site and they’re looking for as many hits as they can possibly get at anyone’s expense. So take that for it’s worth. I apologize to anyone who I might have offended who read this little headline. But for any of you who were offended, read a little deeper into it, and you’ll understand that I come from love as well. Once again, my choice of words wasn’t the best, but that’s just how I talk. Anyway, I love you all. See you soon on tour.

77_photoAccording to Ultimate-guitar.com, Rex Brown, who was the bassist for Pantera weighed in on the issue of the war between Phil and Vinny giving us a little insight into how Vinnie Paul is during a press tour for his autobiography in March of 2013 saying, “When you read the book, you will understand his persona and his way of going about things. I’m not trying to hack Vinnie at all – I have a lot of empathy for him – but in the long run, the guy carries a lot of hatred with him that it’s not right… I don’t carry around this terrible vendetta against people.” Acccording to Phil, there was an effort made to patch things up as he told wikimetal Brazil, “Honestly — and I’ve spoken with Zakk about it as well — we’re very aware of the public perception out there, but honestly, until I speak with Vinnie Paul, which has not yet happened, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen, nothing can happen. Honestly, I tell you, my phone is on the hook, my e-mail is wide open, my door is wide open. I would love to talk with Vince. Honestly, if there were no more bad feelings and we could talk, and we could come to an understanding, I think it would mean not only a lot for me and myself — it would mean the world to me — but it would mean a great deal to the fans out there as well. I think people don’t want to see this arguing anymore. It’s time for some peace. It’s time for some brotherhood. And honestly, we should be setting an example instead of being the opposite. And I’ll just say that my door is wide open, and so far, Vinnie’s door is closed, and it’s a shame.”

Horns Up Rocks Pantera Phil Anselmo Vinnie PaulVinnie Paul of course gave his response to what Phil said when he told Envision Radio Networks Hangar 18, “I just don’t have any interest in it, man. I’m happy doing what I do, I’m enjoying being in a band where everybody really enjoys being around each other, likes each other. And I just don’t have any interest in living in the past, man. I wanna move forward in my life and that’s all there is to it.” 21 days later, Phil talked to Loudwire.com and they asked him, if he was ever alone with Vinnie Paul on a one on one situation, what would he say to him and here is his response:

Well, first and foremost, I’d tell him I love him. I love the guy — as different as both of us are individually, we’re very different people. But the same can be said for all of us in Pantera. Rex [Brown] and I are very different people. Dimebag and everybody [were] very different people.

I would let Vince Paul know that I love him very much, and I would apologize to him for his misinterpretation in not understanding where I was coming from in my lowest point in our career. And then I would definitely touch upon how much lack of communication played a big role in our breaking up. A lot of that is on my back, which I’ve completely f—in’ owned up to. But I’m not sure the rest of them have owned up to their side of things, especially Vince, when it comes to communication.

At least in my life, I cannot hold onto grudges. It’s a waste of energy, a waste of time. And really, and I feel strongly about this, after we lost Dimebag in such a horrific way, I just cannot help but feel that Vinnie Paul’s entire healing process could have been helped a lot more had he reached out to Rex and I, and we could have healed somehow together — whether you want to call it ‘healing’ or not. But if we would have really focused together on this thing and come out of it as brothers — because we are brothers — in certain ways we could have formed an even stronger bond together. But that did not happen and I think it’s hurt us.

Put it this way, I don’t ever expect Vince to bend or break on his stance at all, I really don’t. But if ever given the chance, man, to get straight back to your f—in’ question, I would just really give him all the apologies, I’d tell him I love him and then I would say, ‘Look, let’s get down to differences now. You’re gonna have to hear my side of it. Take it or leave it, because you can leave it – you’ve already locked it out for x amount of years. What’s the harm in hearing me out one on one, away from everybody? What’s the harm?’

I have no anger toward Vince. No one can question a person — really he saw Darrell get shot. That’s a scarring thing for anybody. I wish it can be seen for what it is and that blame did not have to fall on anyone’s head or any circumstance. Because really it was a psychopath who had a hard-on for Pantera and it’s very well-known fact between Rex and I, between my family and myself — we all had to go through a lot of soul searching — but it could have been Rex, it could have been me, it could have been Vince. It was Darrell that was murdered and it’s just the way it happened. I could say, “I wish it would have been me’” or anything like that — I can say a million f—in’ things, man, and it still would not bring Dime back.

So this is always gonna be a tough thing to talk about, and I really wish instead of talking about it in this interview, Vince and I can be talking about it together and just ironing this thing out. I’ll end it with this: I don’t think this is fair to the Pantera fans. I really don’t. When you’re a fan of a band, you don’t wanna hear about them fighting. You don’t want to hear about their negativity. You don’t want to read that s–t. You don’t want to f—in’ hear about that crap.

I think it would mean a whole lot to a whole lot of people if one day Vince and I and Rex could all sit in the same room and work things out to the best of [our] abilities. I think everyone would breathe a great big sigh of relief, but the sad thing is I just don’t see it happening. 

Tune in later for Part two of When Metal Bands Fight: Vinnie Paul Vs Phil Anselmo